[Another copy of this transcript can be found at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace]
Transcript: David Kay at Senate hearing
CNN -- January 28, 2004
(CNN) -- Former top U.S. weapons inspector David Kay testified Wednesday before the Senate Armed Services Committee about efforts to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Following is a transcript of Kay's opening remarks before committee members began questioning him.
KAY: As you know and we discussed, I do not have a written statement. This hearing came about very quickly. I do have a few preliminary comments, but I suspect you're more interested in asking questions, and I'll be happy to respond to those questions to the best of my ability.
I would like to open by saying that the talent, dedication and bravery of the staff of the [Iraq Survey Group] that was my privilege to direct is unparalleled and the country owes a great debt of gratitude to the men and women who have served over there and continue to serve doing that.
A great deal has been accomplished by the team, and I do think ... it important that it goes on and it is allowed to reach its full conclusion. In fact, I really believe it ought to be better resourced and totally focused on WMD; that that is important to do it.
But I also believe that it is time to begin the fundamental analysis of how we got here, what led us here and what we need to do in order to ensure that we are equipped with the best possible intelligence as we face these issues in the future.
Let me begin by saying, we were almost all wrong, and I certainly include myself here.
Sen. [Edward] Kennedy knows very directly. Senator Kennedy and I talked on several occasions prior to the war that my view was that the best evidence that I had seen was that Iraq indeed had weapons of mass destruction.
I would also point out that many governments that chose not to support this war -- certainly, the French president, [Jacques] Chirac, as I recall in April of last year, referred to Iraq's possession of WMD.
The Germans certainly -- the intelligence service believed that there were WMD.
It turns out that we were all wrong, probably in my judgment, and that is most disturbing.
We're also in a period in which we've had intelligence surprises in the proliferation area that go the other way. The case of Iran, a nuclear program that the Iranians admit was 18 years on, that we underestimated. And, in fact, we didn't discover it. It was discovered by a group of Iranian dissidents outside the country who pointed the international community at the location.
The Libyan program recently discovered was far more extensive than was assessed prior to that.
There's a long record here of being wrong. There's a good reason for it. There are probably multiple reasons. Certainly proliferation is a hard thing to track, particularly in countries that deny easy and free access and don't have free and open societies.
In my judgment, based on the work that has been done to this point of the Iraq Survey Group, and in fact, that I reported to you in October, Iraq was in clear violation of the terms of [U.N.] Resolution 1441.
Resolution 1441 required that Iraq report all of its activities -- one last chance to come clean about what it had.
We have discovered hundreds of cases, based on both documents, physical evidence and the testimony of Iraqis, of activities that were prohibited under the initial U.N. Resolution 687 and that should have been reported under 1441, with Iraqi testimony that not only did they not tell the U.N. about this, they were instructed not to do it and they hid material.
I think the aim -- and certainly the aim of what I've tried to do since leaving -- is not political and certainly not a witch hunt at individuals. It's to try to direct our attention at what I believe is a fundamental fault analysis that we must now examine.
And let me take one of the explanations most commonly given: Analysts were pressured to reach conclusions that would fit the political agenda of one or another administration. I deeply think that is a wrong explanation.
As leader of the effort of the Iraqi Survey Group, I spent most of my days not out in the field leading inspections. It's typically what you do at that level. I was trying to motivate, direct, find strategies.
In the course of doing that, I had innumerable analysts who came to me in apology that the world that we were finding was not the world that they had thought existed and that they had estimated. Reality on the ground differed in advance.
And never -- not in a single case -- was the explanation, "I was pressured to do this." The explanation was very often, "The limited data we had led one to reasonably conclude this. I now see that there's another explanation for it."
And each case was different, but the conversations were sufficiently in depth and our relationship was sufficiently frank that I'm convinced that, at least to the analysts I dealt with, I did not come across a single one that felt it had been, in the military term, "inappropriate command influence" that led them to take that position.
It was not that. It was the honest difficulty based on the intelligence that had -- the information that had been collected that led the analysts to that conclusion.
And you know, almost in a perverse way, I wish it had been undue influence because we know how to correct that.
We get rid of the people who, in fact, were exercising that.
The fact that it wasn't tells me that we've got a much more fundamental problem of understanding what went wrong, and we've got to figure out what was there. And that's what I call fundamental fault analysis.
And like I say, I think we've got other cases other than Iraq. I do not think the problem of global proliferation of weapons technology of mass destruction is going to go away, and that's why I think it is an urgent issue.
And let me really wrap up here with just a brief summary of what I think we are now facing in Iraq. I regret to say that I think at the end of the work of the [Iraq Survey Group] there's still going to be an unresolvable ambiguity about what happened.
A lot of that traces to the failure on April 9 to establish immediately physical security in Iraq -- the unparalleled looting and destruction, a lot of which was directly intentional, designed by the security services to cover the tracks of the Iraq WMD program and their other programs as well, a lot of which was what we simply called Ali Baba looting. "It had been the regime's. The regime is gone. I'm going to go take the gold toilet fixtures and everything else imaginable."
I've seen looting around the world and thought I knew the best looters in the world. The Iraqis excel at that.
The result is -- document destruction -- we're really not going to be able to prove beyond a truth the negatives and some of the positive conclusions that we're going to come to. There will be always unresolved ambiguity here.
But I do think the survey group -- and I think Charlie Duelfer is a great leader. I have the utmost confidence in Charles. I think you will get as full an answer as you can possibly get.
And let me just conclude by my own personal tribute, both to the president and to [CIA Director] George Tenet, for having the courage to select me to do this, and my successor, Charlie Duelfer, as well.
Both of us are known for probably at times regrettable streak of independence. I came not from within the administration, and it was clear and clear in our discussions and no one asked otherwise that I would lead this the way I thought best and I would speak the truth as we found it. I have had absolutely no pressure prior, during the course of the work at the [Iraq Survey Group], or after I left to do anything otherwise.
I think that shows a level of maturity and understanding that I think bodes well for getting to the bottom of this. But it is really up to you and your staff, on behalf of the American people, to take on that challenge. It's not something that anyone from the outside can do. So I look forward to these hearings and other hearings at how you will get to the conclusions.
I do believe we have to understand why reality turned out to be different than expectations and estimates. But you have more public service -- certainly many of you -- than I have ever had, and you recognize that this is not unusual.
I told Sen. [John] Warner [chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee] earlier that I've been drawn back as a result of recent film of reminding me of something. At the time of the Cuban missile crisis, the combined estimate was unanimity in the intelligence service that there were no Soviet warheads in Cuba at the time of the missile crisis.
Fortunately, President Kennedy and [then-Attorney General] Robert Kennedy disagreed with the estimate and chose a course of action less ambitious and aggressive than recommended by their advisers.
But the most important thing about that story, which is not often told, is that as a result after the Cuban missile crisis, immediate steps were taken to correct our inability to collect on the movement of nuclear material out of the Soviet Union to other places.
So that by the end of the Johnson administration, the intelligence community had a capability to do what it had not been able to do at the time of the Cuban missile crisis.
I think you face a similar responsibility in ensuring that the community is able to do a better job in the future than it has done in the past.
President Bush Meets With Polish President
CNN LIVE TODAY -- January 27, 2004
BUSH: Well, I think the Iraqi Survey Group must do its work. And, again, I appreciate David Kay's contribution.
I said in the run-up to the war against Iraq that, first of all, hopefully the international community would take care of him. I was hoping the United Nations would enforce its resolutions -- one of many.
And then we went to the United Nations, of course, and got an overwhelming resolution, 1441, unanimous resolution, that said to Saddam, "You must disclose and destroy your weapons programs," which obviously meant the world felt he had such programs. He chose defiance -- it was his choice to make -- and he did not let us in.
USA names new WMD adviser
The Times of India -- January 24, 2004
WASHINGTON: US has named a new inspector for the search for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction after its veteran investigator expressed sceptism that Saddam Hussein's regime possessed the arms.
CIA Director George Tenet has named Charles Duelfer to succeed David Kay to lead the search for WMDs in Iraq . Kay resigned from his position saying there was no evidence to prove that Iraq had any large stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons after the 1991 war.
"I don't think they (WMDs) existed," Kay told a reporter. "What everyone was talking about is stockpiles produced after the end of the last (1991) Gulf War, and I don't think there was a large-scale production programme in the nineties," he said.
The CIA announced that Duelfer, who has previously expressed doubts that unconventional weapons would be found, would succeed Kay as Washington 's chief arms hunter for the coalition.
Kay said he left the post due to a "complex set of issues. It related in part to a reduction in the resource and a change in focus of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG)," which is in charge of the weapons hunt which many have already begun to say is a wild goose chase.
ISG analysts have been diverted from hunting for weapons of mass destruction to helping in the fight against the insurgency, Kay said.
"When I had started out I had made it a condition that ISG be exclusively focused on WMD, that's no longer so," he said.
Ex-arms hunter says Iraq had no WMD
Reuters via The Telegraph (Calcutta) -- 24 January, 2004
Washington, Jan. 24 (Reuters): Former chief US arms hunter David Kay, who stepped down from his post yesterday, has concluded that Iraq had no stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons, a potential embarrassment for President George W. Bush and ammunition to his election-year Democratic rivals.
But a senior US official said today that Vice-President Dick Cheney, attending the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, still believed “the jury’s still out” on whether Iraq had chemical or biological weapons or missiles, as contained in official US intelligence estimates.
Undercutting the White House’s public rationale for the war on Iraq, Kay said that he had concluded there were no such stockpiles to be found.
“I don’t think they existed,” Kay said. “What everyone was talking about is stockpiles produced after the end of the last (1991) Gulf War, and I don’t think there was a large-scale production programme in the 1990s,” he said.
“I think we have found probably 85 per cent of what we’re going to find,” said Kay, who returned from Iraq in December and told the CIA that he would not be going back.
“I think the best evidence is that they did not resume large-scale production and that’s what we’re really talking about,” Kay said.
In his annual State of the Union address on Tuesday, Bush again insisted that former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had actively pursued dangerous weapons programmes right up to the start of the US-led invasion in March.
“Had we failed to act,” Bush said, “the dictator’s weapons of mass destruction programmes would continue to this day.”
The UN’s top nuclear watchdog said today he was not surprised at Kay’s conclusion. “I am not surprised about this,” International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed El Baradei said on the sidelines of the Davos meeting. “We said already before the war, that there was no evidence of this, so this is really not a surprise.”
White House firm
Yesterday, the White House stood firm. “We remain confident that the Iraq Survey Group will uncover the truth about Saddam Hussein’s regime, the regime’s weapons of destruction programs,” spokesman Scott McClellan said.
The CIA announced that former UN weapons inspector Charles Duelfer, who has expressed his own doubts that unconventional weapons would be found, would succeed Kay as Washington's chief arms hunter.
Duelfer, 51, a former deputy executive chairman of the UN Special Commission that was responsible for dismantling Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, previously expressed doubts that unconventional weapons would be found.
But after his new job was announced, Duelfer said he was keeping an open mind and his past comments had been made from the sidelines.
[David Kay on Iraqi WMD search.]
Iraq Arms Inspector Casts Doubt on WMD Claims
NPR Weekend Edition -- January 24, 2004
[Juan Williams gives a truly hideous performance as a newsman by failing to press Cheney on obvious falsehoods. Follow the link to listen to the audio.]
Cheney: U.S. to Continue Search for Iraqi WMD
Vice President Also Cites Al Qaeda-Saddam Connection
NPR's Morning Edition -- January 22, 2004
Jan. 22, 2004 -- Vice President Dick Cheney says the hunt in Iraq for weapons of mass destruction will go on and he insists that there were ties between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. In an interview with NPR's Juan Williams, Cheney also says the United Nations has a potential role to play in Iraq's political transition.
Cheney says the United States hasn't given up on finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which was one of the major arguments President Bush made in going to war to topple Saddam. Cheney cites an interim report by David Kay, who led the WMD search, as saying that the Iraqi government had programs designed to produce such weapons. "I think the jury is still out...," Cheney says.
"It's going to take some additional considerable period of time in order to look in all of the cubby holes and ammo dumps in Iraq where you might expect to find something like that," Cheney says
Powell: It's 'Open Question' Whether Iraq Had WMD
Reuters via Wired News -- January 22, 2004
TBILISI (Reuters) - Secretary of State Colin Powell said on Saturday it was an "open question" whether stocks of weapons of mass destruction would be found in Iraq and conceded it was possible Saddam Hussein had none.
Powell made the comments one day after David Kay, the leader of the U.S. hunt for banned weapons in Iraq, stepped down and said he did not believe there were any large stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons in the country.
"The open question is how many stocks they had, if any, and if they had any, where did they go. And if they didn't have any, then why wasn't that known beforehand?" Powell said to reporters as he flew to Tbilisi to attend Sunday's inauguration of Georgian President-elect Mikhail Saakashvili.
The Bush administration's central argument for going to war against Iraq last year was that Baghdad had weapons of mass destruction that could threaten the United States and its allies.
No banned arms have been found in Iraq since the United States invaded and toppled Saddam.
Kay told Reuters on Friday he did not believe the country had any large stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons produced after the 1991 Gulf War. Its nuclear activities had not resumed in any significant way, he said.
The comments dented the credibility of the administration's case for the war, which was presented most extensively by Powell at the U.N. Security Council on February 5, 2003.
Asked which was right -- Kay's statements or Powell's argument then that Iraq had failed to account for vast quantities of chemical weapons -- Powell replied: "I think the answer to the question is, I don't know yet.
"Last year when I made my presentation it was based on the best intelligence that we had at the time," Powell added.
"It was consistent with the views of other intelligence agencies and other governments and it was consistent with a body of reporting over the years... that there were large, unanswered questions about what they had or did not have."
Tests show no agent in Iraq mortar shells
AP via Salon -- January 14, 2004
CAMP EDEN, Iraq (AP) -- Tests by Danish and American experts indicate there is no chemical warfare agent in mortar shells unearthed last week in southern Iraq, but more testing is needed to confirm the findings, the Danish military reported Wednesday.
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Blair: I don't know if we'll find WMD
The Independent -- 12 January 2004
By Marie Woolf
Tony Blair admitted yesterday that he did not know whether weapons of mass destruction would be found in Iraq.
Asked on BBC's Breakfast With Frost whether he thought they would be discovered, Mr Blair replied: "I do not know is the answer." The Prime Minister said that on the issue of WMD: "You can't be definitive at the moment about what has happened."
His words mark a stark contrast with his assertion before the war that Saddam Hussein was capable of launching a WMD attack within 45 minutes. He later said claims that Iraq had destroyed all its weapons were "palpably absurd".
Blister Agent Found in Buried Iraq Mortar Shells
Associated Press via Fox News Channel -- January 11, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq — Danish and Icelandic troops have uncovered a cache of 36 shells buried in the Iraqi desert, and preliminary tests showed they contained a liquid blister agent, the Danish military said.
Blister agents in Iraq
Daily Kos -- January 10, 2004
Powell defends case for war on Iraq
Associated Press via Atlanta Journal-Constitution -- January 9, 2004
By BARRY SCHWEID
Secretary of State Colin Powell acknowledged Thursday that he had seen no "smoking gun, concrete evidence" of ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida's terror network, but he insisted that Iraq had had dangerous weapons and needed to be disarmed by force.
Bush war advisors: unfound Iraqi weapons matter little
AFP via Yahoo! News -- January 9, 2004
WASHINGTON - Two of President George W. Bush's military advisors said that the US inability to find illegal weapons in Iraq means little.
"I don't think that you can draw any conclusion from the fact that the stockpiles were not found," Pentagon advisor Richard Perle said at the American Enterprise Institute
Perle said he did not fear that the United States would lose credibility after Bush used Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction as his principal justification for going to war.
"If others are going to take the view that, because these weapons weren't found, nothing that the United States says can be trusted -- there's not much we can do about that," he said. "It would be a foolish conclusion to draw."
On Thursday, another Washington think-tank, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said in a report that the US "administration officials systematically misrepresented the threat from Iraq's WMD and ballistic missile programs."
However, Perle said the war was justified: "I think that what was done was right and prudent."
Perle appeared with Robert Frum, the former Bush speech writer who coined "Axis of Evil." They were two of the hardline members of the administration who argued the need to topple Saddam Hussein.
Perle and Frum's book, "An End to Evil," promotes the so-called neo-conservative use of military force to pacify the world.
They take aim at Saudi Arabia, US politicians, journalists and France -- all of whom they said stand in the way of Bush's "War on Terror."
"What troubles us is a pretty persistent French policy of trying to weaken and marginalize the United States within Europe," Perle said.
"All we ask from France is that, in the construction of Europe, Europe think of itself as a partner with the United States in the protection of Western civilization. That's not a lot to ask."
"I think France runs the very great risk of becoming isolated."
Frum, who left the White House in 2003, was as unswerving as Bush himself.
"Sometimes the right answer, when a person has a grievance against you, is to say: 'You're completely mistaken; that grievance comes out of a completely wrong way of looking at the world and you're just going to have to get over it'," Frum said.
"We're not going to change."
WMD in IRAQ: Evidence and Implications
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace -- January 8, 2004
SUMMARY OF KEY FINDINGS
--Iraq WMD Was Not An Immediate Threat
--Inspections Were Working
--Intelligence Failed and Was Misrepresented
--Terrorist Connection Missing
--Post-War WMD Search Ignored Key Resources
--War Was Not the Best-Or Only-Option
PDF of full report
U.S. Withdraws a Team of Weapons Hunters From Iraq
New York Times -- January 8, 2004
By DOUGLAS JEHL
The Bush administration has quietly withdrawn from Iraq a 400-member military team whose job was to scour the country for military equipment, according to senior government officials.
The step was described by some military officials as a sign that the administration might have lowered its sights and no longer expected to uncover the caches of chemical and biological weapons that the White House cited as a principal reason for going to war last March.
A separate military team that specializes in disposing of chemical and biological weapons remains part of the 1,400-member Iraq Survey Group, which has been searching Iraq for more that seven months at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. But that team is "still waiting for something to dispose of," said a survey group member.
Full Text.
Secretary Powell's Press Conference
U.S. Department of State -- January 8, 2004
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, can I try you on something a little less rosy than some of the things you cited? Iraq U.S. inspectors are pulling out. Carnegie, in a report today, says the threat was vastly exaggerated, Iraq posed no immediate danger to the U.S. They have some recommendations that the CIA Director's job be made a career job instead of a political appointee. A lot of probables, a lot of maybes were left out by senior officials in describing what intelligence had uncovered.
Looking ahead, but also looking back, would you -- would you have rephrased your speech to the UN, in light of all of this, if you had another chance?
Iraq's Arsenal Was Only on Paper
Since Gulf War, Nonconventional Weapons Never Got Past the Planning Stage
Washington Post -- January 7, 2004
By Barton Gellman
Full Text.
For Vietnam Vet Anthony Zinni, Another War on Shaky Territory
Washington Post -- December 23, 2003
seen at slacktivist
[Justification of the October 2002 NIE.]
Iraq's WMD Programs: Culling Hard Facts from Soft Myths
The Central Intelligence Agency -- 28 November 2003
STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP (ISG)
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I welcome this opportunity to discuss with
the Committee the progress that the Iraq Survey Group has made in its
initial three months of its investigation into Iraq's Weapons of Mass
Destruction (WMD) programs. I cannot emphasize too strongly that the Interim Progress Report, which
has been made available to you, is a snapshot, in the context of an
on-going investigation, of where we are after our first three months
of work. The report does not represent a final reckoning of Iraq's WMD
programs, nor are we at the point where we are prepared to close the
file on any of these programs. While solid progress - I would say even
remarkable progress considering the conditions that the ISG has had
to work under - has been made in this initial period of operations,
much remains to be done. We are still very much in the collection and
analysis mode, still seeking the information and evidence that will
allow us to confidently draw comprehensive conclusions to the actual
objectives, scope, and dimensions of Iraq's WMD activities at the time
of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Iraq's WMD programs spanned more than two
decades, involved thousands of people, billions of dollars, and were
elaborately shielded by security and deception operations that continued
even beyond the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom. The very scale of this
program when coupled with the conditions in Iraq that have prevailed
since the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom dictate the speed at which
we can move to a comprehensive understanding of Iraq's WMD activities. We need to recall that in the 1991-2003 period the intelligence community
and the UN/IAEA inspectors had to draw conclusions as to the status
of Iraq's WMD program in the face of incomplete, and often false, data
supplied by Iraq or data collected either by UN/IAEA inspectors operating
within the severe constraints that Iraqi security and deception actions
imposed or by national intelligence collection systems with their own
inherent limitations. The result was that our understanding of the status
of Iraq's WMD program was always bounded by large uncertainties and
had to be heavily caveated. With the regime of Saddam Husayn at an end,
ISG has the opportunity for the first time of drawing together all the
evidence that can still be found in Iraq - much evidence is irretrievably
lost - to reach definitive conclusions concerning the true state of
Iraq's WMD program. It is far too early to reach any definitive conclusions
and, in some areas, we may never reach that goal. The unique nature
of this opportunity, however, requires that we take great care to ensure
that the conclusions we draw reflect the truth to the maximum extent
possible given the conditions in post-conflict Iraq. We have not yet found stocks of weapons, but we are not
yet at the point where we can say definitively either that such weapon
stocks do not exist or that they existed before the war and our only
task is to find where they have gone. We are actively engaged in searching
for such weapons based on information being supplied to us by Iraqis.
Why are we having such difficulty in finding weapons or in reaching
a confident conclusion that they do not exist or that they once existed
but have been removed? Our search efforts are being hindered by six
principal factors: What have we found and what have we not found in the first 3 months
of our work? We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant
amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during
the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate
concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi
scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld
and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has
discovered that should have been declared to the UN. Let me just give
you a few examples of these concealment efforts, some of which I will
elaborate on later: In addition to the discovery of extensive concealment efforts, we have
been faced with a systematic sanitization of documentary and computer
evidence in a wide range of offices, laboratories, and companies suspected
of WMD work. The pattern of these efforts to erase evidence - hard drives
destroyed, specific files burned, equipment cleaned of all traces of
use - are ones of deliberate, rather than random, acts. For example,
I would now like to review our efforts in each of the major lines of
enquiry that ISG has pursued during this initial phase of its work. With regard to biological warfare activities, which has been
one of our two initial areas of focus, ISG teams are uncovering significant
information - including research and development of BW-applicable organisms,
the involvement of Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) in possible BW activities,
and deliberate concealment activities. All of this suggests Iraq after
1996 further compartmentalized its program and focused on maintaining
smaller, covert capabilities that could be activated quickly to surge
the production of BW agents. Debriefings of IIS officials and site visits have begun to unravel
a clandestine network of laboratories and facilities within the security
service apparatus. This network was never declared to the UN and was
previously unknown. We are still working on determining the extent to
which this network was tied to large-scale military efforts or BW terror
weapons, but this clandestine capability was suitable for preserving
BW expertise, BW capable facilities and continuing R&D - all key
elements for maintaining a capability for resuming BW production. The
IIS also played a prominent role in sponsoring students for overseas
graduate studies in the biological sciences, according to Iraqi scientists
and IIS sources, providing an important avenue for furthering BW-applicable
research. This was the only area of graduate work that the IIS appeared
to sponsor. Discussions with Iraqi scientists uncovered agent R&D work that
paired overt work with nonpathogenic organisms serving as surrogates
for prohibited investigation with pathogenic agents. Examples include:
B. Thurengiensis (Bt) with B. anthracis (anthrax), and
medicinal plants with ricin. In a similar vein, two key former BW scientists,
confirmed that Iraq under the guise of legitimate activity developed
refinements of processes and products relevant to BW agents. The scientists
discussed the development of improved, simplified fermentation and spray
drying capabilities for the simulant Bt that would have been directly
applicable to anthrax, and one scientist confirmed that the production
line for Bt could be switched to produce anthrax in one week if the
seed stock were available. A very large body of information has been developed through debriefings,
site visits, and exploitation of captured Iraqi documents that confirms
that Iraq concealed equipment and materials from UN inspectors when
they returned in 2002. One noteworthy example is a collection of reference
strains that ought to have been declared to the UN. Among them was a
vial of live C. botulinum Okra B. from which a biological agent can
be produced. This discovery - hidden in the home of a BW scientist -
illustrates the point I made earlier about the difficulty of locating
small stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production
of deadly weapons. The scientist who concealed the vials containing
this agent has identified a large cache of agents that he was asked,
but refused, to conceal. ISG is actively searching for this second cache. Additional information is beginning to corroborate reporting since
1996 about human testing activities using chemical and biological substances,
but progress in this area is slow given the concern of knowledgeable
Iraqi personnel about their being prosecuted for crimes against humanity. We have not yet been able to corroborate the existence of a mobile
BW production effort. Investigation into the origin of and intended
use for the two trailers found in northern Iraq in April has yielded
a number of explanations, including hydrogen, missile propellant, and
BW production, but technical limitations would prevent any of these
processes from being ideally suited to these trailers. That said, nothing
we have discovered rules out their potential use in BW production. We have made significant progress in identifying and locating individuals
who were reportedly involved in a mobile program, and we are confident
that we will be able to get an answer to the questions as to whether
there was a mobile program and whether the trailers that have been discovered
so far were part of such a program. Let me turn now to chemical weapons (CW). In searching for retained
stocks of chemical munitions, ISG has had to contend with the almost
unbelievable scale of Iraq's conventional weapons armory, which dwarfs
by orders of magnitude the physical size of any conceivable stock of
chemical weapons. For example, there are approximately 130 known Iraqi
Ammunition Storage Points (ASP), many of which exceed 50 square miles
in size and hold an estimated 600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets,
aviation bombs and other ordinance. Of these 130 ASPs, approximately
120 still remain unexamined. As Iraqi practice was not to mark much
of their chemical ordinance and to store it at the same ASPs that held
conventional rounds, the size of the required search effort is enormous. While searching for retained weapons, ISG teams have developed multiple
sources that indicate that Iraq explored the possibility of CW production
in recent years, possibly as late as 2003. When Saddam had asked a senior
military official in either 2001 or 2002 how long it would take to produce
new chemical agent and weapons, he told ISG that after he consulted
with CW experts in OMI he responded it would take six months for mustard.
Another senior Iraqi chemical weapons expert in responding to a request
in mid-2002 from Uday Husayn for CW for the Fedayeen Saddam estimated
that it would take two months to produce mustard and two years for Sarin. We are starting to survey parts of Iraq's chemical industry to determine
if suitable equipment and bulk chemicals were available for chemical
weapons production. We have been struck that two senior Iraqi officials
volunteered that if they had been ordered to resume CW production Iraq
would have been willing to use stainless steel systems that would be
disposed of after a few production runs, in place of corrosive-resistant
equipment which they did not have. We continue to follow leads on Iraq's acquisition of equipment and
bulk precursors suitable for a CW program. Several possibilities have
emerged and are now being exploited. One example involves a foreign
company with offices in Baghdad, that imported in the past into Iraq
dual-use equipment and maintained active contracts through 2002. Its
Baghdad office was found looted in August 2003, but we are pursuing
other locations and associates of the company. Information obtained since OIF has identified several key areas in
which Iraq may have engaged in proscribed or undeclared activity since
1991, including research on a possible VX stabilizer, research and development
for CW-capable munitions, and procurement/concealment of dual-use materials
and equipment. Multiple sources with varied access and reliability have told ISG that
Iraq did not have a large, ongoing, centrally controlled CW program
after 1991. Information found to date suggests that Iraq's large-scale
capability to develop, produce, and fill new CW munitions was reduced
- if not entirely destroyed - during Operations Desert Storm and Desert
Fox, 13 years of UN sanctions and UN inspections. We are carefully examining
dual-use, commercial chemical facilities to determine whether these
were used or planned as alternative production sites. We have also acquired information related to Iraq's CW doctrine and
Iraq's war plans for OIF, but we have not yet found evidence to confirm
pre-war reporting that Iraqi military units were prepared to use CW
against Coalition forces. Our efforts to collect and exploit intelligence
on Iraq's chemical weapons program have thus far yielded little reliable
information on post-1991 CW stocks and CW agent production, although
we continue to receive and follow leads related to such stocks. We have
multiple reports that Iraq retained CW munitions made prior to 1991,
possibly including mustard - a long-lasting chemical agent - but we
have to date been unable to locate any such munitions. With regard to Iraq's nuclear program, the testimony we have
obtained from Iraqi scientists and senior government officials should
clear up any doubts about whether Saddam still wanted to obtain nuclear
weapons. They have told ISG that Saddam Husayn remained firmly committed
to acquiring nuclear weapons. These officials assert that Saddam would
have resumed nuclear weapons development at some future point. Some
indicated a resumption after Iraq was free of sanctions. At least one
senior Iraqi official believed that by 2000 Saddam had run out of patience
with waiting for sanctions to end and wanted to restart the nuclear
program. The Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission (IAEC) beginning around
1999 expanded its laboratories and research activities and increased
its overall funding levels. This expansion may have been in initial
preparation for renewed nuclear weapons research, although documentary
evidence of this has not been found, and this is the subject of continuing
investigation by ISG. Starting around 2000, the senior Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission (IAEC)
and high-level Ba'ath Party official Dr. Khalid Ibrahim Sa'id began
several small and relatively unsophisticated research initiatives that
could be applied to nuclear weapons development. These initiatives did
not in-and-of themselves constitute a resumption of the nuclear weapons
program, but could have been useful in developing a weapons-relevant
science base for the long-term. We do not yet have information indicating
whether a higher government authority directed Sa'id to initiate this
research and, regretfully, Dr. Said was killed on April 8th during the
fall of Baghdad when the car he was riding in attempted to run a Coalition
roadblock. Despite evidence of Saddam's continued ambition to acquire nuclear
weapons, to date we have not uncovered evidence that Iraq undertook
significant post-1998 steps to actually build nuclear weapons or produce
fissile material. However, Iraq did take steps to preserve some technological
capability from the pre-1991 nuclear weapons program. The ISG nuclear team has found indications that there was interest,
beginning in 2002, in reconstituting a centrifuge enrichment program.
Most of this activity centered on activities of Dr. Sa'id that caused
some of his former colleagues in the pre-1991 nuclear program to suspect
that Dr. Sa'id, at least, was considering a restart of the centrifuge
program. We do not yet fully understand Iraqi intentions, and the evidence
does not tie any activity directly to centrifuge research or development. Exploitation of additional documents may shed light on the projects
and program plans of Dr. Khalid Ibrahim Sa'id. There may be more projects
to be discovered in research placed at universities and private companies.
Iraqi interest in reconstitution of a uranium enrichment program needs
to be better understood through the analysis of procurement records
and additional interviews. With regard to delivery systems, the ISG team has discovered
sufficient evidence to date to conclude that the Iraqi regime was committed
to delivery system improvements that would have, if OIF had not occurred,
dramatically breached UN restrictions placed on Iraq after the 1991
Gulf War. Detainees and co-operative sources indicate that beginning in 2000
Saddam ordered the development of ballistic missiles with ranges of
at least 400km and up to 1000km and that measures to conceal these projects
from UNMOVIC were initiated in late-2002, ahead of the arrival of inspectors.
Work was also underway for a clustered engine liquid propellant missile,
and it appears the work had progressed to a point to support initial
prototype production of some parts and assemblies. According to a cooperating
senior detainee, Saddam concluded that the proposals from both the liquid-propellant
and solid-propellant missile design centers would take too long. For
instance, the liquid-propellant missile project team forecast first
delivery in six years. Saddam countered in 2000 that he wanted the missile
designed and built inside of six months. On the other hand several sources
contend that Saddam's range requirements for the missiles grew from
400-500km in 2000 to 600-1000km in 2002. ISG has gathered testimony from missile designers at Al Kindi State
Company that Iraq has reinitiated work on converting SA-2 Surface-to-Air
Missiles into ballistic missiles with a range goal of about 250km. Engineering
work was reportedly underway in early 2003, despite the presence of
UNMOVIC. This program was not declared to the UN. ISG is presently seeking
additional confirmation and details on this project. A second cooperative
source has stated that the program actually began in 2001, but that
it received added impetus in the run-up to OIF, and that missiles from
this project were transferred to a facility north of Baghdad. This source
also provided documentary evidence of instructions to convert SA-2s
into surface-to-surface missiles. ISG has obtained testimony from both detainees and cooperative sources
that indicate that proscribed-range solid-propellant missile design
studies were initiated, or already underway, at the time when work on
the clustered liquid-propellant missile designs began. The motor diameter
was to be 800 to 1000mm, i.e. much greater than the 500-mm Ababil-100.
The range goals cited for this system vary from over 400km up to 1000km,
depending on the source and the payload mass. A cooperative source, involved in the 2001-2002 deliberations on the
long-range solid propellant project, provided ISG with a set of concept
designs for a launcher designed to accommodate a 1m diameter by 9m length
missile. The limited detail in the drawings suggest there was some way
to go before launcher fabrication. The source believes that these drawings
would not have been requested until the missile progress was relatively
advanced, normally beyond the design state. The drawing are in CAD format,
with files dated 09/01/02. While we have obtained enough information to make us confident that
this design effort was underway, we are not yet confident which accounts
of the timeline and project progress are accurate and are now seeking
to better understand this program and its actual progress at the time
of OIF. One cooperative source has said that he suspected that the new large-diameter
solid-propellant missile was intended to have a CW-filled warhead, but
no detainee has admitted any actual knowledge of plans for unconventional
warheads for any current or planned ballistic missile. The suspicion
expressed by the one source about a CW warhead was based on his assessment
of the unavailability of nuclear warheads and potential survivability
problems of biological warfare agent in ballistic missile warheads.
This is an area of great interest and we are seeking additional information
on warhead designs. While I have spoken so far of planned missile systems, one high-level
detainee has recently claimed that Iraq retained a small quantity of
Scud-variant missiles until at least 2001, although he subsequently
recanted these claims, work continues to determine the truth. Two other
sources contend that Iraq continued to produce until 2001 liquid fuel
and oxidizer specific to Scud-type systems. The cooperating source claims
that the al Tariq Factory was used to manufacture Scud oxidizer (IRFNA)
from 1996 to 2001, and that nitrogen tetroxide, a chief ingredient of
IRFNA was collected from a bleed port on the production equipment, was
reserved, and then mixed with highly concentrated nitric acid plus an
inhibitor to produce Scud oxidizer. Iraq never declared its pre-Gulf
War capability to manufacture Scud IRFNA out of fear, multiple sources
have stated, that the al Tariq Factory would be destroyed, leaving Baghdad
without the ability to produce highly concentrated nitric acid, explosives
and munitions. To date we have not discovered documentary or material
evidence to corroborate these claims, but continued efforts are underway
to clarify and confirm this information with additional Iraqi sources
and to locate corroborating physical evidence. If we can confirm that
the fuel was produced as late as 2001, and given that Scud fuel can
only be used in Scud-variant missiles, we will have strong evidence
that the missiles must have been retained until that date. This would,
of course, be yet another example of a failure to declare prohibited
activities to the UN. Iraq was continuing to develop a variety of UAV platforms and maintained
two UAV programs that were working in parallel, one at Ibn Fernas and
one at al-Rashid Air Force Base. Ibn Fernas worked on the development
of smaller, more traditional types of UAVs in addition to the conversion
of manned aircraft into UAVs. This program was not declared to the UN
until the 2002 CAFCD in which Iraq declared the RPV-20, RPV-30 and Pigeon
RPV systems to the UN. All these systems had declared ranges of less
than 150km. Several Iraqi officials stated that the RPV-20 flew over
500km on autopilot in 2002, contradicting Iraq's declaration on the
system's range. The al-Rashid group was developing a competing line
of UAVs. This program was never fully declared to the UN and is the
subject of on-going work by ISG. Additional work is also focusing on
the payloads and intended use for these UAVs. Surveillance and use as
decoys are uses mentioned by some of those interviewed. Given Iraq's
interest before the Gulf War in attempting to convert a MIG-21 into
an unmanned aerial vehicle to carry spray tanks capable of dispensing
chemical or biological agents, attention is being paid to whether any
of the newer generation of UAVs were intended to have a similar purpose.
This remains an open question. ISG has discovered evidence of two primary cruise missile programs.
The first appears to have been successfully implemented, whereas the
second had not yet reached maturity at the time of OIF. The first involved upgrades to the HY-2 coastal-defense cruise missile.
ISG has developed multiple sources of testimony, which is corroborated
in part by a captured document, that Iraq undertook a program aimed
at increasing the HY-2's range and permitting its use as a land-attack
missile. These efforts extended the HY-2's range from its original 100km
to 150-180km. Ten modified missiles were delivered to the military prior
to OIF and two of these were fired from Umm Qasr during OIF - one was
shot down and one hit Kuwait. The second program, called the Jenin, was a much more ambitious effort
to convert the HY-2 into a 1000km range land-attack cruise missile.
The Jenin concept was presented to Saddam on 23 November 2001 and received
what cooperative sources called an "unusually quick response"
in little more than a week. The essence of the concept was to take an
HY-2, strip it of its liquid rocket engine, and put in its place a turbine
engine from a Russian helicopter - the TV-2-117 or TV3-117 from a Mi-8
or Mi-17helicopter. To prevent discovery by the UN, Iraq halted engine
development and testing and disassembled the test stand in late 2002
before the design criteria had been met. In addition to the activities detailed here on Iraq's attempts to develop
delivery systems beyond the permitted UN 150km, ISG has also developed
information on Iraqi attempts to purchase proscribed missiles and missile
technology. Documents found by ISG describe a high level dialogue between
Iraq and North Korea that began in December 1999 and included an October
2000 meeting in Baghdad. These documents indicate Iraqi interest in
the transfer of technology for surface-to-surface missiles with a range
of 1300km (probably No Dong) and land-to-sea missiles with a range of
300km. The document quotes the North Koreans as understanding the limitations
imposed by the UN, but being prepared "to cooperate with Iraq on
the items it specified". At the time of OIF, these discussions
had not led to any missiles being transferred to Iraq. A high level
cooperating source has reported that in late 2002 at Saddam's behest
a delegation of Iraqi officials was sent to meet with foreign export
companies, including one that dealt with missiles. Iraq was interested
in buying an advanced ballistic missile with 270km and 500km ranges. The ISG has also identified a large volume of material and testimony
by cooperating Iraq officials on Iraq's effort to illicitly procure
parts and foreign assistance for its missile program. These include: Uncertainty remains about the full extent of foreign assistance to
Iraq's planned expansion of its missile systems and work is continuing
to gain a full resolution of this issue. However, there is little doubt
from the evidence already gathered that there was substantial illegal
procurement for all aspects of the missile programs. I have covered a lot of ground today, much of it highly technical.
Although we are resisting drawing conclusions in this first interim
report, a number of things have become clearer already as a result of
our investigation, among them: Let me conclude by returning to something I began with today. We face
a unique but challenging opportunity in our efforts to unravel the exact
status of Iraq's WMD program. The good news is that we do not have to
rely for the first time in over a decade on The bad news is that we have to do this under conditions that ensure
that our work will take time and impose serious physical dangers on
those who are asked to carry it out. Why should we take the time and run the risk to ensure that our conclusions
reflect the truth to the maximum extent that is possible given the conditions
in post-conflict Iraq? For those of us that are carrying out this search,
there are two reasons that drive us to want to complete this effort. First, whatever we find will probably differ from pre-war intelligence.
Empirical reality on the ground is, and has always been, different from
intelligence judgments that must be made under serious constraints of
time, distance and information. It is, however, only by understanding
precisely what those difference are that the quality of future intelligence
and investment decisions concerning future intelligence systems can
be improved. Proliferation of weapons of mass destruction is such a
continuing threat to global society that learning those lessons has
a high imperative. Second, we have found people, technical information and illicit procurement
networks that if allowed to flow to other countries and regions could
accelerate global proliferation. Even in the area of actual weapons
there is no doubt that Iraq had at one time chemical and biological
weapons. Even if there were only a remote possibility that these pre-1991
weapons still exist, we have an obligation to American troops who are
now there and the Iraqi population to ensure that none of these remain
to be used against them in the ongoing insurgency activity. Mr. Chairman and Members I appreciate this opportunity to share with
you the initial results of the first 3 months of the activities of the
Iraqi Survey Group. I am certain that I speak for Major General Keith
Dayton, who commands the Iraqi Survey Group, when I say how proud we
are of the men and women from across the Government and from our Coalition
partners, Australia and the United Kingdom, who have gone to Iraq and
are carrying out this important mission. Thank you.
Central Intelligence Agency -- October 2, 2003
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