Student essays on JODI's current New York exhibition, from the vertexList blog. Efrain Calderon Jr.'s is especially thorough and helpful and does not read as if it were written at gunpoint. And here are some shots of the JODI opening, also from the vertexList blog. Looking forward to seeing the show this weekend.
A few months back a NY cyber art dealer made a comment here expressing regret that the dealer's space could not show JODI "because of the lack of support for this type of work." In fact, none of Manhattan's supposedly computer-specializing galleries stepped up, despite JODI's cred and long history as Dadaist hacker artists. Fortunately two galleries saw an opportunity: vertexList in Brooklyn and And/Or Gallery in Dallas, which are hosting simultaneous, feed-connected JODI shows. My understanding is that sales of unique and editioned works have been made at both venues, so, so much for that "lack of support."
Update: In the comments, VONA says, "JODI has shown at Pace and a big solo show at Eyebeam in the last few years. It’s somewhat of a distortion to imply, as I feel this post does, that they are locked outside a commercial art realm." My reply:Eyebeam is a non-profit space--not sure how that show was in the commercial realm. As for the Pace exhibit--that's one group show, not much of a commitment. As discussed here, Pace seems to have flubbed that installation, projecting the wrong DVDs on a cross-shaped wooden construction built specifically for another video work.
Anyway, the point of this post is JODI's doing fine in the commercial realm, with galleries outside of Manhattan. Update 2: Turns out the issue with VONA wasn't that I was distorting the record but that new media artists need to "forget" showing in Chelsea (still the key to wider art world recognition, last I heard--not a guarantee but the place that collectors, curators and writers tend to go to to see art) and I wasn't sufficiently respectful of this aspiration of VONA's.
JODI has shown at Pace and a big solo show at Eyebeam in the last few years. It’s somewhat of a distortion to imply, as I feel this post does, that they are locked outside a commercial art realm. I
Eyebeam is a non-profit space--not sure how that show was in the commercial realm. As for the Pace exhibit--that's one group show, not much of a commitment. As discussed here, Pace seems to have flubbed that installation, projecting the wrong DVDs on a cross-shaped wooden construction built specifically for another video work.
Anyway, the point of this post is JODI's doing fine in the commercial realm, with galleries outside of Manhattan.
The post did not say “but they have shown at Eyebeam, a large not for profit space,” or “but they showed at one of the largest commercial galleries in New York but the gallery did a poor install of work” The post quotes an unnamed dealer posting on your blog.
“...dealer's space could not show JODI "because of the lack of support for this type of work”
Saying “JODI's doing fine in the commercial realm, with galleries outside of Manhattan.” is good. Implying that JODI, and “this-type-of-work” in general, are being shut out is a bit of a self perpetuating myth.
"'this-type-of-work'" in general...being shut out"
Where did I say this?
We're talking about specific facts: the leading commercial galleries marketing computercentric art in Manhattan did not give JODI a solo show, even though JODI seems to be one artist almost every camp in the cyber art field agrees is important.
JODI showed in a not-for-profit gallery, and now they are showing in galleries selling their work, but not in Manhattan.
A Manhattan dealer complained (not saying who, my point is not to bash individuals who have posted on this blog, but you can easily figure it out--it's one of the dealers relevant to this discussion) that "there was no support for JODI's type of work."
I did not say that, the dealer did--and turned out to be wrong.
My point is precisely the opposite of what you are saying. The self-perpetuating myth is wrong, not right.
We should be applauding the two galleries for their initiative.
I’ll post once more on this and then it’s all you.
I do think And/Or and VertexList are doing some great programming and I‘m a strong believer in the work of JODI. I want to make sure that is understood. This belief is why I am trying to make clear a problem that I saw implied and still implied in this post.
I do not buy the no one wanted to show JODI stance. What I hope is JODI wanted to show at Vertex and And/Or because they are interesting venues that show good work. Just as I hope that you choose to show this blog at Art Moving because the space is right for it.
“the leading commercial galleries marketing computercentric art in Manhattan..” mindset is limiting. It is something new media art needs to forget. I would like us, new media artist-art venues- galleries - curators- bloggers and collectors to say we make choices based on interest not limits.
That’s it. That’s all I wanted to say.
Would JODI have gone with vertexList if Pace, Postmasters, Bryce Wolkowitz, Foxy, Team, or bitforms had offered them a show?
I don't think I can be said to be distorting the record because the facts as I stated them fail to agree with your vision of what new media artists "need" to do.
Thread closed to ward off spam. More on the JODI show is here.
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Student essays on JODI's current New York exhibition, from the vertexList blog. Efrain Calderon Jr.'s is especially thorough and helpful and does not read as if it were written at gunpoint. And here are some shots of the JODI opening, also from the vertexList blog. Looking forward to seeing the show this weekend.
A few months back a NY cyber art dealer made a comment here expressing regret that the dealer's space could not show JODI "because of the lack of support for this type of work." In fact, none of Manhattan's supposedly computer-specializing galleries stepped up, despite JODI's cred and long history as Dadaist hacker artists. Fortunately two galleries saw an opportunity: vertexList in Brooklyn and And/Or Gallery in Dallas, which are hosting simultaneous, feed-connected JODI shows. My understanding is that sales of unique and editioned works have been made at both venues, so, so much for that "lack of support."
Update: In the comments, VONA says, "JODI has shown at Pace and a big solo show at Eyebeam in the last few years. It’s somewhat of a distortion to imply, as I feel this post does, that they are locked outside a commercial art realm." My reply:Update 2: Turns out the issue with VONA wasn't that I was distorting the record but that new media artists need to "forget" showing in Chelsea (still the key to wider art world recognition, last I heard--not a guarantee but the place that collectors, curators and writers tend to go to to see art) and I wasn't sufficiently respectful of this aspiration of VONA's.
- tom moody 5-23-2007 6:44 pm
JODI has shown at Pace and a big solo show at Eyebeam in the last few years. It’s somewhat of a distortion to imply, as I feel this post does, that they are locked outside a commercial art realm. I
- VONA (guest) 5-24-2007 4:36 pm
Eyebeam is a non-profit space--not sure how that show was in the commercial realm. As for the Pace exhibit--that's one group show, not much of a commitment. As discussed here, Pace seems to have flubbed that installation, projecting the wrong DVDs on a cross-shaped wooden construction built specifically for another video work.
Anyway, the point of this post is JODI's doing fine in the commercial realm, with galleries outside of Manhattan.
- tom moody 5-24-2007 5:51 pm
The post did not say “but they have shown at Eyebeam, a large not for profit space,” or “but they showed at one of the largest commercial galleries in New York but the gallery did a poor install of work” The post quotes an unnamed dealer posting on your blog.
“...dealer's space could not show JODI "because of the lack of support for this type of work”
Saying “JODI's doing fine in the commercial realm, with galleries outside of Manhattan.” is good. Implying that JODI, and “this-type-of-work” in general, are being shut out is a bit of a self perpetuating myth.
- VONA (guest) 5-24-2007 11:09 pm
"'this-type-of-work'" in general...being shut out"
Where did I say this?
We're talking about specific facts: the leading commercial galleries marketing computercentric art in Manhattan did not give JODI a solo show, even though JODI seems to be one artist almost every camp in the cyber art field agrees is important.
JODI showed in a not-for-profit gallery, and now they are showing in galleries selling their work, but not in Manhattan.
A Manhattan dealer complained (not saying who, my point is not to bash individuals who have posted on this blog, but you can easily figure it out--it's one of the dealers relevant to this discussion) that "there was no support for JODI's type of work."
I did not say that, the dealer did--and turned out to be wrong.
My point is precisely the opposite of what you are saying. The self-perpetuating myth is wrong, not right.
We should be applauding the two galleries for their initiative.
- tom moody 5-24-2007 11:45 pm
I’ll post once more on this and then it’s all you.
I do think And/Or and VertexList are doing some great programming and I‘m a strong believer in the work of JODI. I want to make sure that is understood. This belief is why I am trying to make clear a problem that I saw implied and still implied in this post.
I do not buy the no one wanted to show JODI stance. What I hope is JODI wanted to show at Vertex and And/Or because they are interesting venues that show good work. Just as I hope that you choose to show this blog at Art Moving because the space is right for it.
“the leading commercial galleries marketing computercentric art in Manhattan..” mindset is limiting. It is something new media art needs to forget. I would like us, new media artist-art venues- galleries - curators- bloggers and collectors to say we make choices based on interest not limits.
That’s it. That’s all I wanted to say.
- VONA (guest) 5-25-2007 5:58 pm
Would JODI have gone with vertexList if Pace, Postmasters, Bryce Wolkowitz, Foxy, Team, or bitforms had offered them a show?
I don't think I can be said to be distorting the record because the facts as I stated them fail to agree with your vision of what new media artists "need" to do.
- tom moody 5-25-2007 8:01 pm
Thread closed to ward off spam. More on the JODI show is here.
- tom moody 6-11-2007 3:14 pm